Why are people so excited about Universal Health Care?
Do they do any research into it? Or are they excited because its going to be free? Universal Health Care is like having Universal Grocery Insurance...
Do they do any research into it? Or are they excited because its going to be free?
Universal Health Care is like having Universal Grocery Insurance:
Suppose you had grocery insurance. With your Government paying 100% percent of the bill, you would fill the cart with lobster and filet mignon. Everything would cost more because supermarkets would stop running sales. Why should they, when their customers barely care about the price?
Suppose everyone had transportation insurance. The roads would be crowded with Mercedes. Why buy a Chevy if the government pays?
People have gotten so used to having "other" people pay for most of our health care that we routinely ask for insurance with low or no deductibles. This is another bad idea.
Suppose car insurance worked that way. Every time you got a little dent or the paint faded, or every time you buy gas or change the oil, you’d fill out endless forms and wait for reimbursement from your insurance company. Gas prices would quickly rise because service stations would know that you no longer care about the price. You’d become more wasteful: jackrabbit starts, speeding, wasting gas. Who cares? You are not paying any of the bill.
Now where do you think the Top Rated doctors in the world Practice? Imagine going to have a heart bypass (You have been on the waiting list for over 2 years now since its universal healthcare) and the surgeon performing the operation only took the MCAT test 8 times before he finally passed it, and barely passed his boards and internships, and best of all, since now its like DMV Service, your the 7th bypass he has done that day, and there are 2 more waiting behind you.
Why are people so excited about this idea? Isnt this why most of the people who have the opportunity to come to the US for treatment come here? Instead of using their own Universal Insurance in their country?
But, I guess *FREE* is the new slogan of today’s America.
Im going overboard?? And someone else says Its going to be more efficient?? Thats why THOUSANDS in England pull thier own teeth out because they cant take the pain and waiting 2 years to see a dentist… http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/15/england.dentists/index.html
Or the people in Canada who have a LOTTERY DRAWING to see who gets to see the doctor this month http://www.statehousecall.org/canadian-doctors-hold-lotteries-to-decide-who-gets-access-to-care
a universal health care plan sounds great but no one has a clue how to make it work for 300 million people. Most cite examples of much smaller countries (Canada 33,224,000, France 64,473,140). Many of those that are having their own problems currently:
- UK is now in favor of denying overweight people & smokers because of high costs (how would that go over in the land of the obese people?
- Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs.
Because our society has been brainwashed via education, Entertainment and media outlets into being liberal socialist. God bless.
They won’t be excited when going to the doctor for a routine checkup turns into a bureaucratic nightmare like the DMV.
Socialism promotes mediocrity and punishes excellence.
They are on welfare anyway and think everything in life is free and given to then by the government.
What a really bad analogy. Universal health care will be cheaper, more efficient, and more effective. Your President (Past and present), your Congressman, every civil servant, every military person, and most retired people already have government funded health care (over 50% of the population). Why do you think you don’t deserve the same?
Going a little overboard aren’t you.
Actually, with universal grocery insurance, you’d have your choice of stale bread or moldy bread. With transportation insurance, you’d have your choice of the black Pinto or the really, really dark gray Pinto.
None of it’s free, and why anyone would want a non-medical bureaucrat in Washington telling your doctor what he can or cannot do to help you when you’re sick is beyond me.
That is very confusing, you didn’t connect the point you were making in the first 2 paragraphs to the point in the 5th paragraph.
If I follor your logic, everyone would go out and take better care of themselves. Lobster and Filet mignon=mammagrams and flu shots. Is that what you are trying to say?
The only people excited about Universal Health Care delivered by the Government are those who have not lived under such a system. Americans are so spoiled by our current Medical System, they think they will have the same level of care only not have to pay for it.
Nothing can be further from the truth. If Universal means anything, it means dumbed down and rationed.
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I agree w/ Mike !!!!! And nothing is free (maybe to the losers who sit around and collect welfare) but to the working people, they will be paying one way or another
dumb troll. anyways, why should modern healthcare be limited to the "elite" ? you should be kicked
"America will last only until its people realize they can vote for themselves largess from the public treasury." – DeToquesville
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I have to laugh at Nate’s ranty answer. Here you offer an intelligent description of your reason for your belief and he calls you a troll. How marvelous. Simply amazing.
We should preserve that one for posterity.
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"show me your research instead of telling a story…"
Ditto
"WHO ranks U.S. 27th in the world overall in health care"
WHO no longer keeps such a table since 2000, though a ranking of 27th would be 10 slots higher than that table.
On the one hand I would call that improvement, but on the other hand, they are factoring in accessibility of abortion services as "health care" and are not reporting consistently according to which country they are ranking.
WHO is known for that, as is the Commonwealth .Fund, who did THE study upon which the rankings were based. Not multiple studies, one study. Hardly worth citing, but then you are a liberal, so I guess you will grasp at any straw to combat Conservative efforts to keep us out of socialistic tyranny.
"we pay about double on average for health care compared to socialized nations…"
That is because we go go the doctor more than all those other nations combined. We are the only country I know of where everyone who has a cold or flu goes to the doctor.
Also, your report did not factor in the amount already paid by the government under the socialist plan (it still is not free and would still not be used by the poorest, whom you claim to advocate).
"we rank low in average life span and infant morality rates…"
That is more an issue of diet, exercise, highway risks and chemical abuse than anything else Don’t you care about the reliability of what you are saying?
"so, we’re paying twice as much… for, on average, a lower quality product…"
No, when you factor in the socialistic government ‘contribution’ to the health care bill, we pay close to the same, though we employ better physicians. Heads of state do not fly to top-ranked France for their health care. They fly to Johns Hopkins or Mayo Brothers’ clinics. My uncle who was an engineer in Spain had a daughter who had cancer all over her body. Did she go to top-ranked Frnce for her treatment? No. She flew to Mayo in Rochester, MN. She is alive and seeing her children through high school today because of that.
Spare the hoopla. We know better.
"I don’t want to hear stories about Canada and England… their systems are horrible… and we all know it… and we wouldn’t copy their systems… CLEARLY…"
I couldn’t agree more, but the others are not so much better.
"and 99 percent of people can’t afford a top doctor NOW…and their insurance would laugh at them if they asked… so what does that have to do with anything?"
Really? I have a health care plan called "Mayo Health Traditions," which costs about $1,400 per month for my family. My wife had quadruple bypass in Rochester at the hand of the world’s best heart team. 2 doors down was a relative of a Latin American head of state, who had been flown in as soon as he could be stabilized for the flight. I only knew who he was because I recognized him, and because his bodyguards had been on CNN with him a few years back.
Do you know what our out-of-pocket was on that?
It was less than $5,000. I get to keep my wife for less than $5,000. Under socialized medicine, the wait would have been over 6 months, during which time she would probably have died.
Socialized medicine, under Hillary Care, isn’t even THAT good.
the cost of the care is weighed against the life expectancy and expected societal contribution of the individual, and that is how they determine what is "futile care."
Euthanasia is also in their portfolio, and since the doctors would be agents of the state, they would presumably have the authority to make an end-of-life decision for any patient.
Really, you haven’t thought very hard about this or done much research.
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"OH and last time I went to the doctor… I waited longer than I did compared to the last time I went to the DMV? and it was better service…"
1. Change insurance plans and providers of choice. Let the market drive the quality of service.
2. Arrive on time or early instead of 15 minutes late. If you are late, you have to wait for everyone else who cared enough to get there on time or early.
3. DMV service is different in different states, so yours might be a swifter, more efficient agency. If your need was not a high priority and you were late, then you probably did have to wait a while.
show me your research instead of telling a story…
WHO ranks the U.S. 27th in the world overall in health care
we pay about double on average for health care compared to socialized nations…
we rank low in average life span and infant morality rates…
so, we’re paying twice as much… for, on average, a lower quality product…
I don’t want to hear stories about Canada and England… their systems are horrible… and we all know it… and we wouldn’t copy their systems… CLEARLY…
and 99 percent of people can’t afford a top doctor NOW…and their insurance would laugh at them if they asked… so what does that have to do with anything?
OH and last time I went to the doctor… I waited longer than I did compared to the last time I went to the DMV? and it was better service…
Most of them have never had to go to the E.R. out of being uninsured. If they knew that the very nature of that will be the norm under UHC, I think they might feel different. Nothing is free. The only way government is able to PROVIDE anything to anyone is to take it from SOMEONE else first. They don’t get that. They think money grows on trees and is the gold standard no matter how much you print of it.
"Universal health care is implemented in all wealthy, industrialized countries, except for the United States"
The rest of the world disagrees with universal health care being a bad thing.
It would be better to have Private and Public Healthcare.
PUBLIC can be Free and people can wait how ever long it takes like it does in Canada.
PRIVATE can cost money and people would not have to wait as long as they do in Canada
They have private and public colleges so why not private and public healthcare.
They are excited because they are idiots. Free health care sucks. They will find out soon enough and they will die for their stupidity too.
I agree completely with the answer from Jacob W…
Maybe you fail to understand that if Universal Health Care existed, the government would force hospitals and health care systems to get their costs under control, so YOU WOULDN’T GO BANKRUPT every time you got sick!
Do you realize how overstaffed doctor’s offices and hospitals are? Do you realize how much money they spend on garbage, and waste on unnecessary tests? They don’t care how much is spent on anything, they bill whatever they want.
And what’s all this garbage about "top-rated doctors?" Is this the NBA or something? How about you just respect doctors for who they are, another person with a skill? These guys aren’t competing in All-Star competitions, and they’re definitely not dummies.
People like you think doctors are gods, and perhaps that’s the root of your problem there, and America’s. Instead of treating medicine as a necessary evil, you treat it as "the big show," and that’s why you are extorted by the hospitals. Medicine is not fast food; brats like you demanding faster care are why the system has gotten so expensive. Hospitals listened to you.
Would you be the sort of person that would whine on a battlefield because one of your fellow soldiers died because the hospital arrived two minutes too late, or the doctor couldn’t save his life?
Here’s a tip, doctors hate your guts. I know this, my dad talks about ignoramuses like you all the time.
You’ve really mixed your metaphors, haven’t you? If, indeed, socialization of "something" means that everyone would have the BEST, how could that be "bad" when it comes to medicine? I want to "drive" the top-of-the-line when it comes to my health care. (And I don’t want it to depend on my employer–who just laid me off)
Look here sir, if Universal Health Care has been successfully used in other countries without draining the government then why can’t it work here also. Instead of attacking an important project like protecting the health of the citizens of this large and important country, why not at least give it a chance to work. If it turns out to be a disastrous endeavor then that’s another thing you can use against the President in the future. For now, with him taking on the job of trying to restore some sensibility to this frightening economy he inherited from a corrupt administration, he needs all the support he can get…
They like it because it’s free but they don’t worry about consequences – it’s the hallmark of youth, arrogance, and immaturity. A bank robber sees free money, he thinks he’s smarter than anyone around and can do this, he doesn’t even consider the consequences.
They are excited about it because the top cause of bankruptcy in this country are medical bills that can’t be paid.
Yes, there are good doctors in this country and most of the country doesn’t even have access to them, even the insured. Because unless you live really close to a great academic medical research center your local doctor is pretty much a mediocre hack.
Great examples! You didn’t even mention how if the US goes to universal health care the entire world will suffer. Right now hospitals can charge insurance companies thousands of dollars for medicines (such as lucentis $4800 per dose). This is great because it means we can continue huge researching efforts to discover new drugs For Everyone.
With the govn’t paying the bill we can’t charge as much, and research goes down. And we all suffer.
That isn’t how it works now and that is not the way it will ever work!
You think the government pays for everything you are not correct.
I have nothing against eliminating the middle man, like the CEO of Anthem who pulls in $12 Million a year, and their shareholders, who all steal from those they are suppose to be providing medical care to! Now I don’t know how many HMO’s there are, but multiply that by the number.
Anthem did my state and took 25% right off the top.
This money doesn’t go for health care. It goes into their pockets.
I am excited because everyone gets health care, which you already pay for directly, or indirectly, and it will take a burden off a lot of companies, especially small ones! That means job growth!
You may be right about the MD’s but we have the most neonatologist in the wold yet in infant mortality – 2.3 times that of Iceland and more than 75 percent higher than the rate of the Czech Republic, Finland, Italy, Japan, Norway, Slovenia and Sweden.
Out of 44 more developed countries, the United States is tied for 26th place with Croatia, Estonia and Poland. In all three countries there are 7 child deaths per 1,000 live births.
American-Indian children ages 1 to 4 have the highest death rates (49 per 100,000), followed by African-American children (46 per 100,000), Hispanic children (29 per 100,000), non-Hispanic white children (28 per 100,000) and Asian/Pacific Islander children (23 per 100,000).231
Among wealthy nations, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Italy and the Netherlands have the lowest rates of child deaths due to injury. In the United States and Portugal, the rates of child injury death are twice as high.
One in 71 mothers in the United States is likely to lose a child before his or her fifth birthday. A mother in the United States has a 2.5 fold greater risk of experiencing the death of a child than a mother in Iceland, Italy or Japan and is almost 3 times more likely to lose a child than a mother in the Czech Republic or Slovakia.
United States Has Higher Death Rate
Than Most Other Countries
Excerpted from
State of the WORLD’S MOTHERS 2007
Saving the Lives of Children Under 5
Report by Save The Children
1may2007
Well you obviously have no clue whatsoever about what universal healthcare is or how it would work. You’re comparisons are laughable at best and contain no logic in them, nor are they even appropriate for what they are being compared to.
You are just someone that heard somewhere that people sometimes have to wait a while to get medical services, so you automatically think its bad without realizing the HMO’s in this country do the exact same thing nut charge an arm and a leg, if they even let you get your treatment in the first place.
The FACT is that universal healthcare will be cheaper than our current system and it won’t keep 40+ million people from recieving the care they need.
FACT – the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet.
FACT – the US has higher death rates for kids aged under five than western European countries with universal health coverage.
That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, France, Cuba, Germany, Japan etc, all of which have universal health coverage.